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Dec 11, 2021 19:45:18	1aveator	yet we ask that they get the disease and survive? Do we really know the impact of those consequences yet?
Dec 11, 2021 19:44:38	basilonereborn	we dont really know yet but either way its ridiculous to make that judgement call for someone else its their health at stake too and they dont owe it to society to take one for the team
Dec 11, 2021 19:43:37	contador6292	that's so stupid how he didn't lost it
Dec 11, 2021 19:43:32	1aveator	@ilikecakeyo It is about personal responsibiliity. I agree
Dec 11, 2021 19:41:47	1aveator	Which is lower? The potential of side effects, or the disease itself?
Dec 11, 2021 19:41:01	basilonereborn	i havent brought up big pharma my point is low risk people dont have obligation to subject themselves to potential vaccine side effects
Dec 11, 2021 19:41:00	ilikecakeyo	Your just making up moronic arguments that make no sense, it's about personal responsibility.
Dec 11, 2021 19:40:29	1aveator	\"It should be on poor health individuals to take that precation\"- what kinds of poor health are you refering to?
Dec 11, 2021 19:40:27	ilikecakeyo	If you are immuno compromised then don't go to a bar, or a concert, or whatever, if your worried about drunk drivers, stay off the road. How is that complicated?
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:51	ilikecakeyo	What are you talking about? I gave an example, that wasnt it, your making stuff up
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:50	1aveator	Im actually agrueing for persnal resposibility not authoritarianism
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:17	ilikecakeyo	Your grasping straws now, you get the point, you have no counter other than you want more authoritarianism to feel safe
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:09	1aveator	What kinds of health should we bar from society? who is the arbiter in that?
Dec 11, 2021 19:38:47	1aveator	I dont have to drive to be hit by a drunk
Dec 11, 2021 19:38:16	ilikecakeyo	It should be on poor health individuals to take that precation, just like it's on you to decide you shouldnt drive if your at risk getting hit by a drunk. It's really that simple
Dec 11, 2021 19:38:00	1aveator	And not having a mandate would be the best
Dec 11, 2021 19:37:47	1aveator	and big pharma making money is not a justifiable excuse to that. This is a problem but its a different problem.
Dec 11, 2021 19:36:59	1aveator	@BasiloneReborn Im saying if you participate in a society in which vulnerable people are at risk through your direct actions, knowlengly or not, you have an obligation to lower the risk towards the negative impact to overall health
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:46	basilonereborn	are you saying everyone should have to get vaccinated because they could encounter someone immuno compromised that cant get the vaccine
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:45	1aveator	I choose to drive because I know the risks. We can lower the risk by restricting liberty with regards to blood alchohal content and compliance checks
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:40	ilikecakeyo	Imagine if we banned swimming pools, because you know, a few kids drown in them every year. How far do we go?
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:39	capricciosa	You have been playing too much Deus-ex eggscom
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:49	1aveator	and to be clear I agree with xcom about mandates. But they just choose another issue about the illuminati or Big pharma
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:46	ilikecakeyo	Is how your treating rona, it's dumb
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:37	ilikecakeyo	You shouldn't drive because you might get hit by a drunk.
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:20	ilikecakeyo	No it doesn't
Dec 11, 2021 19:33:56	1aveator	@ilikecakeyo That suggests we do nothing about drunk drivers
Dec 11, 2021 19:33:17	1aveator	@BasiloneReborn and the risk of hospitaliztion or death is lowered
Dec 11, 2021 19:33:00	ilikecakeyo	Exactly, we can't control everything, you just solved your own argument
Dec 11, 2021 19:32:36	1aveator	@1aveator Because I can follow the rules of the road or not even drive but still be impacted by their choices

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