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Dec 11, 2021 19:41:01	basilonereborn	i havent brought up big pharma my point is low risk people dont have obligation to subject themselves to potential vaccine side effects
Dec 11, 2021 19:41:00	ilikecakeyo	Your just making up moronic arguments that make no sense, it's about personal responsibility.
Dec 11, 2021 19:40:29	1aveator	\"It should be on poor health individuals to take that precation\"- what kinds of poor health are you refering to?
Dec 11, 2021 19:40:27	ilikecakeyo	If you are immuno compromised then don't go to a bar, or a concert, or whatever, if your worried about drunk drivers, stay off the road. How is that complicated?
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:51	ilikecakeyo	What are you talking about? I gave an example, that wasnt it, your making stuff up
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:50	1aveator	Im actually agrueing for persnal resposibility not authoritarianism
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:17	ilikecakeyo	Your grasping straws now, you get the point, you have no counter other than you want more authoritarianism to feel safe
Dec 11, 2021 19:39:09	1aveator	What kinds of health should we bar from society? who is the arbiter in that?
Dec 11, 2021 19:38:47	1aveator	I dont have to drive to be hit by a drunk
Dec 11, 2021 19:38:16	ilikecakeyo	It should be on poor health individuals to take that precation, just like it's on you to decide you shouldnt drive if your at risk getting hit by a drunk. It's really that simple
Dec 11, 2021 19:38:00	1aveator	And not having a mandate would be the best
Dec 11, 2021 19:37:47	1aveator	and big pharma making money is not a justifiable excuse to that. This is a problem but its a different problem.
Dec 11, 2021 19:36:59	1aveator	@BasiloneReborn Im saying if you participate in a society in which vulnerable people are at risk through your direct actions, knowlengly or not, you have an obligation to lower the risk towards the negative impact to overall health
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:46	basilonereborn	are you saying everyone should have to get vaccinated because they could encounter someone immuno compromised that cant get the vaccine
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:45	1aveator	I choose to drive because I know the risks. We can lower the risk by restricting liberty with regards to blood alchohal content and compliance checks
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:40	ilikecakeyo	Imagine if we banned swimming pools, because you know, a few kids drown in them every year. How far do we go?
Dec 11, 2021 19:35:39	capricciosa	You have been playing too much Deus-ex eggscom
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:49	1aveator	and to be clear I agree with xcom about mandates. But they just choose another issue about the illuminati or Big pharma
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:46	ilikecakeyo	Is how your treating rona, it's dumb
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:37	ilikecakeyo	You shouldn't drive because you might get hit by a drunk.
Dec 11, 2021 19:34:20	ilikecakeyo	No it doesn't
Dec 11, 2021 19:33:56	1aveator	@ilikecakeyo That suggests we do nothing about drunk drivers
Dec 11, 2021 19:33:17	1aveator	@BasiloneReborn and the risk of hospitaliztion or death is lowered
Dec 11, 2021 19:33:00	ilikecakeyo	Exactly, we can't control everything, you just solved your own argument
Dec 11, 2021 19:32:36	1aveator	@1aveator Because I can follow the rules of the road or not even drive but still be impacted by their choices
Dec 11, 2021 19:32:17	basilonereborn	and if you are vaccinated you can still transmit anyway
Dec 11, 2021 19:31:56	basilonereborn	will if those people are vaccinated then it doesnt matter
Dec 11, 2021 19:31:47	ilikecakeyo	@1aveator I dunno if everyone on the road i'm driving isn't drunk. Why are we going down this road? How far down it do we go?
Dec 11, 2021 19:30:48	1aveator	I mean I can know my own health and the risks that I am willing to take. Most people do not know the health of everyone they interact with that the risk is higher.
Dec 11, 2021 19:30:09	ilikecakeyo	Rona will continue to mutate because it's that type of virus. Everyone vaccinated won't stop it, look at Omnicron numbers, vaccinated people are getting it.

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