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Dec 11, 2021 19:58:57	mr_sleaze	Anyone over 30 should get vaxxed 100% though
Dec 11, 2021 19:58:44	ilikecakeyo	I'm not so sure, based of statistica theories it might actually not
Dec 11, 2021 19:58:38	mr_sleaze	If you're under the age of like 30 the side effects of the vaccine are worse than covid
Dec 11, 2021 19:58:27	basilonereborn	only time will tell what the risk is more serious issues but I know 3 people that got sirva
Dec 11, 2021 19:58:05	1aveator	Does the vax reduces severity?
Dec 11, 2021 19:57:37	ilikecakeyo	Covid spreads anyway vax or no vax, already been established. Imagine if this was like smallpox and it wasn't mutating, we wouldnt have this discussion rn.
Dec 11, 2021 19:57:34	1aveator	Whats the case basilone? any references I can look at?
Dec 11, 2021 19:57:10	basilonereborn	if the worst side effect of the vaccine was a 2 day moderate illness id probably see things differently but that isnt the case
Dec 11, 2021 19:57:04	1aveator	Whats my extent cake?
Dec 11, 2021 19:56:46	1aveator	But doesnt spreading covid give people risk?
Dec 11, 2021 19:56:40	ilikecakeyo	Again goes back to how far we take it, i don't agree to the extent your taking it to.
Dec 11, 2021 19:56:09	basilonereborn	im not saying someone with ebola should be able to walk around freely willy nilly and infect everyone else because they dont want to quarantine, but no you shouldnt be expected to take a risk because there is a possibility that could put someone else at risk
Dec 11, 2021 19:55:55	1aveator	The responsibility rests on all of us. Each person has their own resposibility to the whole of society
Dec 11, 2021 19:55:00	ilikecakeyo	The responsibility falls on the high risk individuals, and if they choose to live life like 2019 i support them.
Dec 11, 2021 19:54:19	1aveator	@1aveator I am advicating for the lack of mandates not more. Im just saying doing nothing is not responsible
Dec 11, 2021 19:53:40	ilikecakeyo	@1aveator I don't think we agree, your idea of personal responsibilty revolves around athoritarian views, mine don't.
Dec 11, 2021 19:53:23	1aveator	its 2021. We have the science to understand this kind of stuff. We dont have the culture to do \"enough\" about it
Dec 11, 2021 19:52:20	1aveator	Thats almost like saying if I am in good health, I dont want to take any risk other than what I consider to be a signicant risk? Almost like your life in that regard is some how more valuable than the arbitrary health of those at risk?
Dec 11, 2021 19:51:32	basilonereborn	thats not an absolute position i could see the situation changing depending on the severity of the virus, a long history of the vaccine, etc. but not in this particular situation with covid
Dec 11, 2021 19:50:11	vhsjames	Immagine bing in this chat and not being a mod, must feel strange
Dec 11, 2021 19:49:49	basilonereborn	even setting policy aside i dont see why i should have a moral imperative to potentially jeopardize my own health to accomodate someone else a portion of society has arbitrarily decided their health is more valuable
Dec 11, 2021 19:47:36	1aveator	they often do not live in a bubble and spread the disease on their way to recovery
Dec 11, 2021 19:46:53	basilonereborn	and if someone isnt immuno compromised and can get vaccine but decided not too even though they are in bad health, thats their fault
Dec 11, 2021 19:46:21	1aveator	allow me to avoid your public health policies then
Dec 11, 2021 19:45:26	basilonereborn	maybe the immuno compromised should take one for the team instead and live accordingly instead of expecting everyone else to bend over for them
Dec 11, 2021 19:45:18	1aveator	yet we ask that they get the disease and survive? Do we really know the impact of those consequences yet?
Dec 11, 2021 19:44:38	basilonereborn	we dont really know yet but either way its ridiculous to make that judgement call for someone else its their health at stake too and they dont owe it to society to take one for the team
Dec 11, 2021 19:43:37	contador6292	that's so stupid how he didn't lost it
Dec 11, 2021 19:43:32	1aveator	@ilikecakeyo It is about personal responsibiliity. I agree
Dec 11, 2021 19:41:47	1aveator	Which is lower? The potential of side effects, or the disease itself?

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