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edgewalker69 |
That is the idealistic version of capitalisim | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I agree, but under feudalism, the hierarchy of the family remained the same, the social mobility none existent, yet we broke that in the west, right? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I am not a Christian, but one must wonder why in the Christian world do we value the individual, and not in say Mongolia? | ||
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nosliwreborn |
Good, I had a grilled cheese not long ago, you? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I got this from \"Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism\" By Sir. Larry Siedentop, Doctor. of philosophy, this is his analysis, I am telling you. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I dont disagree on this biological essentialist view, but what you are saying and what I am saying can be true at the same time. | ||
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nosliwreborn |
Greetings exalted one | ||
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edgewalker69 |
It is a collection of families | ||
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edgewalker69 |
What is a tribe? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
No | ||
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edgewalker69 |
That you were in fact NOt be judge on others action, but before god | ||
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edgewalker69 |
This John the Apostles account, where he is send from Rome to Damascus to persecute the followers of jesus, and on the road, he realise what the concept of the individual is | ||
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edgewalker69 |
This is till the same in the middeleast | ||
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edgewalker69 |
So if you insulted someone from another family, your family was fair game | ||
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edgewalker69 |
In Rome, the concept of the individual did not exist, you were part of your family, and everything you did reflected on your family and its honor. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Remember I told you the concept of the \"nation\" \"tribe\" \"clan\" and \"family\" may offer some insight into this issue. The game changer for the west, is the emergence of Jesus Christ, believe it or not. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
What a world back then | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I should add to the story, as the King executed the prisoners infull view of Saladin's army, they imminently executed all their prisoners too. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
So if morality is universal, he would immoral, but if morality is particular, he was in the right. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
When your ancestor King Richard toke Antioch in the 3rd crusade, he executed several thousand prisoners, because he lacked the supplies to feed them. I'd say the prisoners knew the risk when they toke up arms against the King. Wouldnt you agree? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
by them | ||
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edgewalker69 |
the moral decision was made long ago | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Arguably, you toke them into captivity and thus sealed their fate anyway | ||
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edgewalker69 |
A major concern is if morality is universal or particular | ||
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edgewalker69 |
however, if that was one of my family, i'd pick the group to die | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Greatest good for the greatesst number | ||
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edgewalker69 |
They call it utilitarianism | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I know it | ||
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edgewalker69 |
them | ||
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edgewalker69 |
what do you owe thwm? |
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